IOMICA Forum

Antonio, I guess I have to agree with you that these discussions often turn to "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" and don't provide simple answers to what seem to be straightforward questions. As someone once said, unfortunately, free speech and democracy can be messy. To return to the...

It still doesn't make sense to me. I was never aware of any outcry in 2002 from the US about measurement, but I'm only one person. I also still think the concept of measurement without measuring anything is absurd. As was also pointed out, if the sails have to be fully measured at fundamental measur...

Lester: I forgot that you are the sole and final source of how the IOM Class Rules must be interpreted (lol).

Lester: And section E has the same language about hull appendages. And similar language is in the section about the rig. Seems to me by the time you are done you have covered the entire "boat". However, the issue to me has now become very clear--fundamental measurement without measurement is plain a...

Lester: Section D--Hull. Rule D1.1 "The hull shall either comply with the class rules in force at the time of its initial certification control or comply with the current class rules."

Last I checked the class rules include Section C. Or am I reading different rules? [/list]

Andy: I have never really understood what the meaning of the phrase "compliance with rules of section C is not checked as part of the certification process". Sometimes I think it applies only to the national authority issuing the certificate and means that the NCA is not checking up on the measurers...

Barry you sure have got this right. When you open a door, its amazing what comes through. I always thought it was well understood that "fixed" could not have the same meaning as "removable". The sole purpose, nature and reason for velcro is that it is a product that is removeable, not a fixed fasten...

Guys, the first provision of Section D is that each boat must be in compliance with all of the class rules at time of measurement. This includes the provisions of part C. There is also the specific language on the measurement form telling measurers not to sign the form if they think the boat is not ...

Alfonso following your point I am also concerned. You are NCA rep for Spain and you are taking some pretty radical views on how the rules should be read and interpreted. As I told John Ball, please read the hull measurement form where it clearly states to measurers that a boat must be in compliance ...

Yes, you are missing something. Read the top of the form where it advises measurers that the boat must be in compliance with all class rules of sections D,E,F,G and H even if not mentioned in the form. It also requires every measurer to make notes if he/she believes the boat is not in compliance wit...

The thread is meant to be a general discussion of course setting and design.

I believe that under our class rules if you move corrector weights between events that technically requires that the boat be re-measured. The reason: The rules require the corrector weights be "fixed" in place. You then have your boat measured and receive a certificate. If you later remove your corr...

Let me try this from another angle--how can something be "fixed" in place if it can be simply and easily removed? Anything held down by velcro is only "fixed" for as long as the owner wants it to be. Under this theory, anything could be claimed to be "fixed" until it is removed. Does anyone really t...

Please read Val's explanation about boats between races. Lester's belief that when not racing the rules allow you to change anything you want on your boat is clearly not something that is written in any rule book that I know of. In fact, to be very technical, if you change anything between events on...

Alfonso: As I asked earlier where in the rules is it stated that it is "allow(ed) to move the weights between events"? I can't find any language to this effect anywhere. Also, please understand where I am coming from. I believe that the IOM Class has to evolve over time and that the rules are always...

Have to strongly disagree with your reading of the rules. The rules require the corrector weights to be "fixed in/on" the boat. Nothing I could find in the rules explicitly permit corrector weights to be moved between events. Where do you find this? Best I can tell is you have "fixed" your corrector...

This thread was started to discuss the issue of battery placement and weight. It was not about corrector weights. I personally don't think the corrector weight rules need to be changed. They are totally clear to me. I believe that attachment of corrector weights by velcro is not legal under the curr...

Hard to follow the logic here. Corrector Weights need to be removable so that they don't damage the boat when flying? But if the weights were permanently attached to the boat how could they come loose? As to your velcro suggestion please explain how attachment with velcro is "fixed" or "permanent". ...

Rule says corrector weights must be "fixed" in or on the hull. I believe the intent of the rule is to require such weights to be permanently attached to the hull and not moveable. Noting in the rules permits movement of such weights after measurement or between events. Further if you move corrector ...

The rules are not written to only prohibit boats from being underweight when a battery is replaced. The rules require that the boat essentially be the same, not lighter, not heavier, but the same. Corrector weights are a different matter. The rules here are very clear--they are to be fixed into the ...

Nice try, but lightening holes of constant shape, diameter etc. do not satisfy the rules. Also an adhesive film to cover a hole is not the same thing as an adhesive used in building a boat or rig. This one is really pretty clear. If you have lightening holes in your booms they are illegal and the bo...

Mixed answer here. You can drill holes in booms to attach fittings, lines, etc. You can't drill holes in booms to lighten weight. So for example, a boom with inch long cut out holes would not be legal, a boom with three or four small holes to attach the sheet line would be fine. Sounds like what you...

Wow! Never thought that things could get bad enough to scare people away. Let me assure you, that as long as I am VC Tech if there is an open issue out there that seems to scare people from sailing, we will do everything we can so that no one will be prohibited from racing until the open issue is re...

Good news for us Barry, is that in the real world we all know the right answer to the question that you posed in that no one ever has been and I would suggest ever will be validly protested for tuning or talking between heats of an IOM race. Of course, I have degrees in both English and the Law, so ...

Nigel: I think you will find just as much intensity over the rules and other issues among those who sail the Micro Magic and other "less regulated" boats. People are passionate and they can get very involved with questions concerning the ingredients of a dessert, the authenticity of an old car or ev...

As I recall, the term "racing" is also defined in the Rules and it does not apply to the time between "heats" regardless of whether a boat is promoted or not or is still sailing on the water. I also think Dick has this right about the ability to replace a battery and the fact that the battery must b...

A quick check found no formal submission on the records, only a discussion among then current members of the exec on rule changes they wanted to make.

Regardless, if an NCA wants to propose a rule change on this or any other issue, now is the time to bring it forward.

Let me try to bring a little light to this question; there is certainly enough heat. Does anyone believe that it is permitted during a series of "heats" (usually casually referred to as "races") that constitute an overall "event" (or an overall "race") to significantly move the battery placement bet...

A few quick notes--First, I do not believe the problem being outlined by Lester effects 50% to 80% of all IOM sails. I am certainly aware of one sail maker who used this "wrap around" system in the past, I don't know if anyone is using it in the present. Evidence? Second, I am also not aware of any ...

Jim: You seem pretty upset about this issue, not sure why. You also seem to take both sides of the issue--on the one hand you say that if people want to move batteries around that's not important; on the other hand you say that if people intentionally break the rules then they are violating the cori...